Vitalik Buterin and Lex Friedman

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2:32:17 [And] the other thing that made me optimistic is that COVID has been this event that’s really pushed biomedicine, especially the activist approach of biomedicine in public consciousness and made people aware that it’s not only the bits and tweets that are going to save the world, but that body is super important and huge. And what will be ending COVID is essentially the vaccines, the vaccines have been amazing. And if you can take that energy and also that philosophical attitude that I have noticed. The way I would describe this philosophical attitude - going a bit more into depth-first ... The way that I would describe 21st century ideology is that nature is good and disruptions from nature a bad. So generally want to minimize disruptions from nature. And this exists everywhere in the political spectrum, there is nature as literal nature, and the right-wing version of that is market as nature. And the way that philosophy talks about markets is “let’s not interfere with that”. And then, of course, the conservative one which is just like, the traditional (western) culture that existed before the activists started to want to control everything as a kind of nature.

But the 21st century attitude, and with Covid, has flipped a lot of minds because, with Covid what happened is that well, “no, nature is not safe” the default is that untold misery and suffering and tens of millions of people dying. The only way out for us is basically human ingenuity. And that frame of mind is one that is much more friendly. This change of frame of mind this year of thinking of aging as an engineering problem, right? The default is that the 7.4 billion people on this planet alive today are going to die their last decades of life in debilitating pain, and the only way to stop that is human ingenuity. We don't have that as we should yet, but if we work hard we will. “